2 posts tagged “preaching”
"PowerPoint makes people stupid."
That's what Rick Beaton, the professor for my Biblical Organizational Leadership class at Fuller, said in the middle of a lecture yesterday...a lecture which featured an abundance of PowerPoint slides.
Rick went on to explain how numerous studies have shown that PowerPoint discourages engagement and encourages passivity. I pondered the truth of these words as I sat passively slumped in my chair. I enjoyed the lecture, but I wasn't engaged. Rick promised there'd be no more PowerPoint.
All of this got me thinking about "speaching". I wonder, does speaching do the same thing to congregations? Does the lengthy, uninterrupted presentation of one individual's thoughts that have been prepared in isolation from the rest of the community similarly encourage a sort of passivity and intellectual disengagement on the part of churchgoers? Does it stifle creativity? Does it hinder growth?
Doug Pagitt would argue that the answer to all of those questions is a resounding "yes". Furthermore, he would argue that the presentation of sermons in churches that are focused primarily on application further dull the minds of the listeners. This is quite a scandalous thought, given the extreme focus on application found in many sermons, my own included. I know that I want to make time spent listening to what God's given me to say worthwhile for my audience, so I endeavor to give them something that they can apply to their lives when they walk out the door. The problem with this, according to Pagitt, is that in a sense I have done myself work that instead should be the job of the entire community. I have read the Scriptures, prayed through the Scriptures, wrestled with the Scriptures, and come out on Sunday night with a message that amounts to a sort of "do you see what I see?" presentation. Pagitt suggests that instead when the church gathers we ought to be more focused on the implications of the text. We should present the text and then ask our congregations, "what do we do now?" This promotes intellectual engagement and encourages a more communal focus. Similarly, it breaks us out of passive "PowerPoint" mode when we gather, and promotes dialogue.
To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about this idea. I'm all for encouraging people, whatever their faith may be, to wrestle with the implications of Scripture, particularly in a group setting. That being said, I would argue that on some level it is the job of the pastor to break down a text so that it's truth can be more fully grasped by the congregation. Let's be honest, my job allows me the luxury of spending ten or fifteen hours researching the meaning of a text, something the average churchgoer is simply unable to do. Is it not reasonable for members of my congregation to thus expect me to give them some applications from the text that come from my hours of study? I think we would be doing the church a tremendous disservice if we disregard application altogether.
However, I do think Pagitt is on to something when he emphasizes implication. He rightly says that implication challenges people to take their own faith seriously. They can't just sit and zone out in front of the "PowerPoint" of a speacher when they are being implicated into the story. They can't zone out when they know that the thinking hasn't been done for them and that they are going to have to wrestle with some questions along with their brothers and sisters in the church community. As Pagitt says, "Application is about how a piece of information fits into your life. Implication is not about fitting; it's about redefining. It's not about value-added suggestion; it's a call to see the story and join in it." Perhaps that is what all of us really need. We don't need quick fixes to fit neatly into our lives...we need to see the story and have our lives fundamentally reoriented around the part that our church communities play in that story. The challenge is determining how we who work in ministry professionally can best engage our congregations intellectually and invite them out of passivity and into the part God has for them to play.
Yikes...lots to think about...
That's what Rick Beaton, the professor for my Biblical Organizational Leadership class at Fuller, said in the middle of a lecture yesterday...a lecture which featured an abundance of PowerPoint slides.
Rick went on to explain how numerous studies have shown that PowerPoint discourages engagement and encourages passivity. I pondered the truth of these words as I sat passively slumped in my chair. I enjoyed the lecture, but I wasn't engaged. Rick promised there'd be no more PowerPoint.
All of this got me thinking about "speaching". I wonder, does speaching do the same thing to congregations? Does the lengthy, uninterrupted presentation of one individual's thoughts that have been prepared in isolation from the rest of the community similarly encourage a sort of passivity and intellectual disengagement on the part of churchgoers? Does it stifle creativity? Does it hinder growth?
Doug Pagitt would argue that the answer to all of those questions is a resounding "yes". Furthermore, he would argue that the presentation of sermons in churches that are focused primarily on application further dull the minds of the listeners. This is quite a scandalous thought, given the extreme focus on application found in many sermons, my own included. I know that I want to make time spent listening to what God's given me to say worthwhile for my audience, so I endeavor to give them something that they can apply to their lives when they walk out the door. The problem with this, according to Pagitt, is that in a sense I have done myself work that instead should be the job of the entire community. I have read the Scriptures, prayed through the Scriptures, wrestled with the Scriptures, and come out on Sunday night with a message that amounts to a sort of "do you see what I see?" presentation. Pagitt suggests that instead when the church gathers we ought to be more focused on the implications of the text. We should present the text and then ask our congregations, "what do we do now?" This promotes intellectual engagement and encourages a more communal focus. Similarly, it breaks us out of passive "PowerPoint" mode when we gather, and promotes dialogue.
To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about this idea. I'm all for encouraging people, whatever their faith may be, to wrestle with the implications of Scripture, particularly in a group setting. That being said, I would argue that on some level it is the job of the pastor to break down a text so that it's truth can be more fully grasped by the congregation. Let's be honest, my job allows me the luxury of spending ten or fifteen hours researching the meaning of a text, something the average churchgoer is simply unable to do. Is it not reasonable for members of my congregation to thus expect me to give them some applications from the text that come from my hours of study? I think we would be doing the church a tremendous disservice if we disregard application altogether.
However, I do think Pagitt is on to something when he emphasizes implication. He rightly says that implication challenges people to take their own faith seriously. They can't just sit and zone out in front of the "PowerPoint" of a speacher when they are being implicated into the story. They can't zone out when they know that the thinking hasn't been done for them and that they are going to have to wrestle with some questions along with their brothers and sisters in the church community. As Pagitt says, "Application is about how a piece of information fits into your life. Implication is not about fitting; it's about redefining. It's not about value-added suggestion; it's a call to see the story and join in it." Perhaps that is what all of us really need. We don't need quick fixes to fit neatly into our lives...we need to see the story and have our lives fundamentally reoriented around the part that our church communities play in that story. The challenge is determining how we who work in ministry professionally can best engage our congregations intellectually and invite them out of passivity and into the part God has for them to play.
Yikes...lots to think about...
I love my job. I really do. Quite possibly my favorite element of my job is the privilege of teaching the Bible to people at Seven24 on Sunday nights. I love studying for sermons, I love writing sermons, I love giving sermons, and most of all I love the way that God uses his proclaimed Word to change lives. I'm also constantly thinking through different ways of making the teaching portion of Seven24 more effective. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the world's greatest out-of-the-box thinker, but when it comes to something as critically important as communicating the truths of scripture in such a way that they are transformative for myself and others, I certainly want to think as creatively as possible.
It's for that reason that I've begun reading a chapter out of "Preaching Re-imagined" each night before I go to sleep. Doug Pagitt's basic premise is that preaching in churches has turned in to "speaching" (speech making) and that this is largely ineffective. Pagitt advocates a shift to what he calls "progressional dialogue", which is a more interactive preaching format practiced at his church, Solomon's Porch in Minneapolis, MN. I'm only about a quarter of the way through the book, so I'm not quite able to draw any definitive conclusions just yet, but so far what he's saying makes a lot of sense.
At Seven24 we have an interesting situation in that on your average Sunday night usually at least 80% of the people in the room have already listened to a fairly lengthy sermon that day, either at our church or another church. I often get the sense that the last thing that's needed is for me to talk at them for another 40 minutes, especially given that I'm speaking to mostly college students, who have a lot of good insights and a strong desire to share those insights with others. That being said, creating a "sermon" that is highly interactive is, frankly, difficult. More often than not I'll have at least one question that I'll invite the congregation to respond to, but I've struggled to truly create a more conversational sermon setting. The lack of conversation during the teaching times at Seven24 is not due to my need to hear myself talk or a lack of desire on my part to interact with the community...it's simply due to my own difficulty in figuring out how to effectively engage the audience. Today I began working on a sermon for the sixth installment of our periodically recurring series called "Why We Do What We Do", and I look forward to hopefully engaging people at Seven24 in discussion in the midst of the sermon in a way that will hopefully be more beneficial to us as a community than me giving a 40 minute speech would be.
I've already got quite a bit more that I could say about some of Pagitt's ideas so far, but I think I'll stop there for now. To anyone reading, what do you think? When you go to church would you rather here just a straight sermon or would you prefer more interaction? Why do you feel the way that you do? I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.
P.S.- my talk from last Sunday night is posted here .
It's for that reason that I've begun reading a chapter out of "Preaching Re-imagined" each night before I go to sleep. Doug Pagitt's basic premise is that preaching in churches has turned in to "speaching" (speech making) and that this is largely ineffective. Pagitt advocates a shift to what he calls "progressional dialogue", which is a more interactive preaching format practiced at his church, Solomon's Porch in Minneapolis, MN. I'm only about a quarter of the way through the book, so I'm not quite able to draw any definitive conclusions just yet, but so far what he's saying makes a lot of sense.
At Seven24 we have an interesting situation in that on your average Sunday night usually at least 80% of the people in the room have already listened to a fairly lengthy sermon that day, either at our church or another church. I often get the sense that the last thing that's needed is for me to talk at them for another 40 minutes, especially given that I'm speaking to mostly college students, who have a lot of good insights and a strong desire to share those insights with others. That being said, creating a "sermon" that is highly interactive is, frankly, difficult. More often than not I'll have at least one question that I'll invite the congregation to respond to, but I've struggled to truly create a more conversational sermon setting. The lack of conversation during the teaching times at Seven24 is not due to my need to hear myself talk or a lack of desire on my part to interact with the community...it's simply due to my own difficulty in figuring out how to effectively engage the audience. Today I began working on a sermon for the sixth installment of our periodically recurring series called "Why We Do What We Do", and I look forward to hopefully engaging people at Seven24 in discussion in the midst of the sermon in a way that will hopefully be more beneficial to us as a community than me giving a 40 minute speech would be.
I've already got quite a bit more that I could say about some of Pagitt's ideas so far, but I think I'll stop there for now. To anyone reading, what do you think? When you go to church would you rather here just a straight sermon or would you prefer more interaction? Why do you feel the way that you do? I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.
P.S.- my talk from last Sunday night is posted here .
